Second quarter organic growth in AJG's brokerage segment stood at negative 3 percent compared to negative 1 percent for the same period last year. For the first half of the year, organic growth for the brokerage segment was unchanged on a year to year basis at negative 3 percent.

Mr. Gallagher said the property and casualty business remains the toughest of all its segments. Many clients are not seeing signs of stabilization in their businesses and continue to purchase less coverage units. The insurance business climate is further hampered by the continuing soft market that shows no signs of letting up, he said.

When questioned about insurance rates, Mr. Gallagher said there is some moderation in rates in the Midwest, but declines continue in the West and Southeast.

"It is fiercely competitive out there," he said of the insurance placement climate.

He said the insurance cycle is at "an interesting point" because most carriers are trying to renew business at flat rates, but clients who shop their accounts will get "a reduction in their rate."

In response to a question about employee benefits and how the new health care bill will affect placements, Mr. Gallagher said if the Massachusetts model is any example, middle market accounts (between 250 and 1,000 employees) will not abandon private health insurance plans for their employees because they feel those health plans are "cost effective."

While he was vocally opposed to the bill prior to passage, he now believes it will be a benefit for the brokerage's employee benefit services.

"We've got clients that are pulling their hair out right now trying to figure out what this whole thing means to them," he said. "Our consultants are as busy as they can be and I don't see that dying out for years to come."